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Post by dougahlina on Mar 29, 2005 22:06:19 GMT -5
With all the resources that Gia had, why didn't she style her Manhatten apartment to make it more homey and living condition to be less isolated ... Blond...i would love to get into your head space and see where you are going with these questions or how you come up with them?  ? You are one unique person! nuttier than a june bug! Love it! |
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Post by CIRCUITBOYSCOTT on Mar 30, 2005 11:18:53 GMT -5
 Doug, A little humor and less political topic of Gia will lessen the tension of what has been going on in the board... ...is there to keep the 'spirit' alive I don't think Gia was that financially responsible. She was apparently very free with her money and she blew a lot of money on drugs. Models did not spend a lot of time, money or effort on their residences because they were rarely home. |
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Post by Lauren on Mar 30, 2005 11:31:51 GMT -5
Blond, I like your question. :)I agree with Scott, since Gia traveled and stayed out so much I don't think she had time to cozy up her home. But I wonder if she had would it have helped her any? I know that for me when I first got out on my own my place didn't feel like home very much until I spruced it up;but because I was 18 it wasn't a priority to me so I never spruced up until several years later.  |
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Post by Lauren on Mar 30, 2005 11:33:07 GMT -5
...models do have the highest STRESS index out of all career...  Actually Dentist have the highest suicide rate. |
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Post by CIRCUITBOYSCOTT on Mar 30, 2005 11:49:25 GMT -5
Blond, I like your question. :)I agree with Scott, since Gia traveled and stayed out so much I don't think she had time to cozy up her home. But I wonder if she had would it have helped her any? I know that for me when I first got out on my own my place didn't feel like home very much until I spruced it up;but because I was 18 it wasn't a priority to me so I never spruced up until several years later. It seems Gia never really had a stable home environment. She was so young then too. I wonder if she even knew how to create a home. She wanted so much to have someone there with her like her mother or her brother. I am sure being in New York at such a young age without any family just reopened old abandonment issues. I am sure creating more of a home would have helped her immensely. |
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Post by Lauren on Mar 30, 2005 14:57:04 GMT -5
Good point Blond.  |
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Post by icon on Mar 30, 2005 17:18:55 GMT -5
Actually Dentist have the highest suicide rate. yeah..... I read that also Lauren |
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Post by CIRCUITBOYSCOTT on Mar 30, 2005 18:14:46 GMT -5
Yes in a very sad way she was. Not disrespecting anyone, there was no adult family member around during the shoots who could have said...something like, ..... hey, that's my kid, she's worked enough for today, she needs some rest" . And Gia, the way she was, .....was very determined to do her best at whatever she got into. She hated modeling, once she realized what it was all about, but, she worked really hard at it to do her best......and she did. But you see, her surroundings were all about people interested in making money....... so they pushed.....and pushed her, and she finally would collapse from exhaustion, not from drugs, and that's when she would walk off a shoot. She said to me over and over again..... " f--k man, ya know....they wanna push me harder and harder..... well when I've had enough.....I'm leavin the shoot, whether they're done or not." And back then, alot of studios actually passed around cocaine for the models to use, so that they would be able to work more and more hours. I mean the studios would just have coke on hand, like you now have bottled water wherever you go. And they would tell Gia and the other models that it was not addictive and was in fact a healthy thing to take. Like I wasn't on all of Gia's shoots, like I was working also, but when I did go to them...... the coke was everywhere, and it wasn't the models who were bringing it to the shoots. That is really sad. Didn't some of the clients actually pay them with drugs? There were a lot of misconceptions back then about drugs, especially coke. That's why so much of that Studio 54 crowd is either dead, a living wreck, or extremely lucky. Icon, you must have really had your head on straight, or at least straight enough to come out as well as I am assuming you did. I would love to see someone like Janice Dickinson or some of the other models create an advocacy group for young models. Like you said, parents are there. That guy that played the young boy on the Donna Reed Show created an advocacy group for child actors. They are the one that have lobbied for the labor laws for child actors. They monitor kids on the set as well to make sure they are not subjected to any harsh conditions or influences. Danny Bonaducci (sp?) from the Partridge Family is also very active in that group, as well as some of the Brady Bunch boys. A similar advocacy group was formed by the Womens Tennis Association. Because of them girls cannot turn pro until the age of 16 due to all of the exploitation of the young 13 and 14 year old phenoms like Jennifer Capriati. Jennifer showed that with such success and little guidance, trouble is just around the corner. Furthermore, the girls that turn pro at 16 are paired up with a mentor - a retired player like Pam Shriver, Mary Jo Fernandez and Martina Navratilova. They must work with that mentor until the age of 18. Sharon Mitchell has formed a similar group for the porn industry. All performers must present a certificate from her group certifying that they have been tested for all STD's and are negative. Without a certificate, they are not allowed to work. If any disease, especially AIDS is discovered, her organization tracks every performer that has worked directly with the infected person and every performer that has worked with all of those performers and then even all of the performers that have worked with those performers. Then they must all be tested and are not allowed to work for 3 months until they are tested yet again and come out clean. They have stopped many AIDS breakouts. They just had a scandal because one top performer, Marc Wallace, who has been around since the 80's forged his certificate and worked while HIV positive. Actresses were testing positive and it was tracked to Mark as ground zero. They instituted their testing and found several other actresses that he had infected as well. Luckily they caught it before he could infect any more actresses and before those actresses (I believe there were a total of 4 he infected) could spread to others. Mark fled from the industry and I believe from the law (I haven't read much about this lately though). Anyway, I think an advocacy group would be tremendous for models. Like Janice says now, "mothers, do let your daughters run off to New York unless you are there with them." |
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Post by CIRCUITBOYSCOTT on Mar 30, 2005 20:17:06 GMT -5
Doesn't all great relationship fly by in speed of lightning? Aimee & Jaguar was physically less than 2 years but it lasted many years afterward... In retrospect, the remaining one will always say 'pure luck' that it striked me I am sorry, but I don't understand this. Could you help me understand? |
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Post by icon on Mar 30, 2005 23:40:50 GMT -5
Sadly, it is just a 'fact of life'.... ....I've seen many people died ....to the end, we all die and it is never pleasant to think that you can't take anything with you in the end, except 'love' ....'love' does not only happen to the body but is encompassed in the mind and spirit ....people who live out a long life die of loneliness before anything ....yes, I agree it is pure 'luck' you find lasting love that will last a lifetime....some never do and life means nothing in the end for them  Very good post, Blond |
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Post by CIRCUITBOYSCOTT on Apr 2, 2005 1:50:41 GMT -5
The way we interact with Gia's circle on this board is parallel to how Gia felt around them.... To my surprise, the family support is not there and very limited....the guys Rob and John are just friends on a superficial level...she shared her most intimate details with her girlfriends and the most reliable one and the one who is always there for her is Icon...in seeing how her lovers come out...I've to assume this was the same way as Gia was alive....whereby, Sandy would throw her real name out to link with Gia's....but her most intimate lover would stay in the background of Gia's fame acting to support her always, without shining over her glory...never revealing herself and is kept as a secret 'girlfriend' in Gia's life.... I agree Icon was very close, but I think Rob was more than just a superficial friend wasn't he? It seems the two of them got very, very close. And John was very close with Gia as well, although I don't think they had as much contact later in Gia's life. |
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Post by CIRCUITBOYSCOTT on Apr 2, 2005 17:29:07 GMT -5
Gia was physically and emotionally attracted and drawn into woman....in this physiological state, the guys can only be just friend....best friend the most...maybe Icon can clarify my thoughts...I can't seem to express what I'm trying to describe from Gia standpoint  ...no matter how low Gia dropped in life, she protected Icon...sadly, Gia would rather had walked into other girls' lives to live out her addiction than to have Icon sank with her...it was only when she had full control of her recovery at Eaglesville that she felt safe to have Icon back in her life...Gia could had been a very committed lifetime partner, her level of responsibility for those who she really cared and loved was never clouded by drugs...that I respect and applaud her for...many guys cannot match that...if I'm correct, Gia left Icon feeling loved, secured and protected by her still ... I don't know about that. I am a gay man, so I have that physical and emotional attraction to men, but when it comes to true deep feelings and really opening up, I feel most comfortable with girls. I tell my girlfriends everything and seek their advice. They hear all of my problems. I don't unload that on someone that I am attracted to. I didn't know Gia though, so maybe she was quite different. But again it seems Rob Fay was one of Gia's closest friends during those latter years and he went through rehab with her and kept in close contact with her after rehab and through the AIDS. Perhaps Icon can provide some insight. Was Rob as close as it has been written. And it seems also, that Icon was possibly one of the only women that Gia really got close to for any extended length of time. It sounds like maybe Icon was the exception that proves the rule. But I am willing to admit I could be wrong. I was not there. |
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Post by dougahlina on Apr 2, 2005 18:10:21 GMT -5
I don't know about that. I am a gay man, so I have that physical and emotional attraction to men, but when it comes to true deep feelings and really opening up, I feel most comfortable with girls. I tell my girlfriends everything and seek their advice. They hear all of my problems. I don't unload that on someone that I am attracted to. I didn't know Gia though, so maybe she was quite different. But again it seems Rob Fay was one of Gia's closest friends during those latter years and he went through rehab with her and kept in close contact with her after rehab and through the AIDS. Perhaps Icon can provide some insight. Was Rob as close as it has been written. And it seems also, that Icon was possibly one of the only women that Gia really got close to for any extended length of time. It sounds like maybe Icon was the exception that proves the rule. But I am willing to admit I could be wrong. I was not there. I agree 1000000000000000000% about your first 4 sentences Scott. There is just something about women that gay guys can really trust and vice versa, i feel. I have tried many times to confide in my "boyfriends" only to have it splashed back into my face thru the gossip mill......l'd tell"boyfriends" (not lovers) certain private things and the next thing i know, literally a day later, the story is all out...."ohhhhh. I heard what happened to you last week....." or whatever.....all blown out of proportion. I've learned to trust MOST girls so much more, there are some real COWS out there that have claimed to be my "girlfriends" just to get the gossip and shit and it's all so highschool...........like that movie "Mean Girls" I love that movie...i wish the trashy Lindsay Lohan wouldv'e stayed a witch to the very end and not turned all sappy, or better yet, that movie "Jawbreaker"! Anyone seen it? It's great...Rose MacGowen stayed in character until the end....Scott, i think YOU would particularly love this movie! Anyways i'm getting off track.......... |
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Post by hellokitty on Apr 2, 2005 19:01:38 GMT -5
Doug- Jawbreakers is one of my favorite movies!!! I do think that Rob and Gia were very close up until the end. I think she confided in Rob, in my opinion. Of course I dont really know, Im not Rob. |
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Post by Lisa on Apr 2, 2005 19:24:35 GMT -5
Rob and John were more than superficial people in Gia's life. Please don't negate their importance to her and vice versa.
Bless your heart, Blond, but you're always looking for easy, textbook answers in relation to Gia's true love for women while ignoring the fact that regardless of sexual orientation we can be friends with and care about anyone who strikes our spirit. Just because Rob and John are men didn't make their friendships with Gia any less deep and meaningful.
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